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Poetics and Operations

 

This conversation between artist Otobong Nkanga and curator Maya Tounta builds on the pair’s contributuion to ’Climate Forum III: Towards Change Practices: Poetics and Operations’. The exchange moves between Nkanga’s studio in Antwerp, the farm co-run with her brother Peter and Akwa Ibom, the space she co-founded with Tounta in 2019. Nkanga’s poetry and close readings of images and objects serve as entry points to dwell on questions of transformation, failure, regeneration, repair and change.

Otobong Nkanga: Whose crisis is this? (2013) addresses the multiple life forms and entities living on this planet and their interactions with humans. Today, many things are cracking. The landscape is shifting. We are moving through the world differently. I wanted to think about a relationship to resources and the things that give life to other life forms. What does that mean for people that are in relation to natural resources? Human extraction has meant that those who take ownership of resources deny the possibility of the commons.

Whose crisis is this?, 2013 acrylic on paper. Courtesy the artist

 

In this drawing, humans extract from other humans, while trees are being sucked dry of water and minerals.

Burning Tongues

Taste the salty skin
Tame the sultry
Burning tongues
Born from a tear:
Looking for some terms
That could unite us
Like a glorious choir in sync

Solid Manoeuvres, 2015, performance – duration 1 hour, Thursday December 17, 2015, performed by Otobong Nkanga, 'Bruises and Lustre', M HKA, Antwerp. Photo M HKA, courtesy the artist

 

Solid Manoeuvres, 2015, acrylic, Forex, makeup, tar, various metals, vermiculite, 'Bruises and Lustre', M HKA, Antwerp. Photo M HKA, courtesy the artist

I will start with an image of an anthill. Now think of the way we, as humans, make holes within spaces, extract, and then turn what is extracted into other forms. Like a skyscraper: imagine the holes and materials required to build skyscrapers, or phones. The performance and sculptural piece Solid Manoeuvres (2015–20) speaks to that process.

Performance allows for an expanded form of storytelling in which we relate to materials through, inside and around the body. The materials in the sculpture – metallic, tars, acrylic – are all transformed from minerals in the ground to what’s in the sculpture itself: the heavy sand, salt and make-up that are part of everyday life.

Carved to Flow, Preliminary Recipe for a Support System, 2016-17, digital drawing, collage und acrylic on paper. Courtesy the artist

 

The works presented at Portikus in Frankfurt, addressing extraction, were pivotal for Carved to Flow (2016–), which I started thinking about in 2016. I was not only thinking about the things where holes are made, let’s say, but how that affects places. I call them places of obscurity. Those places where things are taken out from the land, where the livelihoods of people also change and the landscape and ecology of a place changes. Most of the time we do not hear much about these places. I was moved to think: What does it mean to work from a place and not only think of the holes that are there, but to imagine and create structures that could be support systems for places of extraction? I wanted to create something that could be generative and that could be taken care of, something that would allow you to connect with the life – the flora, fauna and other life forms in a place.

In Carved to Flow I started to work with soap. This was the first drawing reflecting on places that feed the world – if we think of Southern Europe or North Africa, West Africa, the Middle East – with the oils and materials that come from these places. And at the same time, these places are going through wars, intense ecological crises, mass migration, political and social shifts. And that’s where the idea of the soaps began.

Last Year June

I dreamt of you early in the morning early after mourning
I dreamt that you slightly foaming lightly with a smell

I was nervous when I was invited for documenta in 2016. I wanted to make work – or embark on a process – that was connected to different landscapes. The first idea for the project came from a dream about the smell of soap. I remember waking up at seven-thirty in the morning, and I turned around to my husband and said, ‘Oh my God, I know what I’m going to do for documenta’. That clarity was based on the project being in two places, in Athens but also in Kassel, and reflecting on how many plant-based oils are found in the Mediterranean region, but also in many territories including Nigeria, where I come from. And that’s where we started from. So this was 2017, when I met Maya Tounta who I have worked with since, and with whom I co-founded a space in Athens.

Carved to Flow: Laboratory, soapmaking session with Otobong Nkanga and Evi Lachana, documenta 14, Athens, Greece, 2017. Courtesy the artist

Maya Tounta: Up until that point, Otobong, you had worked with performance, installation, sculpture, drawing and painting. This was the first time you moved beyond those formats and the work became more difficult to categorize. The laboratory in Athens was opened up during documenta as an installation space: as a sculpture, but also as a workspace. There were many aspects of this work which were invisible to the public but were crucial to how it functioned. One was the development of a ‘product’ that would support and finance other endeavours independent of Carved to Flow.

The project wasn’t conceived as a finalized idea that was then executed. Rather, you began with documenta, and then slowly things started to appear in terms of what made sense and how it should develop. And it’s still evolving.

ON: In Athens, we needed a space where we could have a laboratory. And of course, a museum structure could not offer the kinds of things that Carved to Flow needed. We found a space in Kallithea but where we had to build everything: new floors, new lights, new windows. This became the workshop where we could invite people to test our prototypes for the soaps, but also a space for rest and conversation.

Carved to Flow: Laboratory, installation view, documenta 14, Athens, Greece, 2017. Courtesy the artist

 

In 2016 I met different people – Maya, but also Evie Lachanae, a botanist. Evie knew how to think about the business model of the project but also to choose products that were ethically sourced, how to work within a circular economy of materials – all things that were important to me. With Maya we thought through the operations of the project, the production and presentation of the work as well as formulating the language around the exhibition. Maya curated the public programme. She sees and describes the project in very expansive terms, not only who is involved in the project itself but in relation to the realities of today.

MT: We had to understand, together, what this process of making soap entailed, including its history. In Greek villages in the 1960s, it was quite common to collect leftover fat and cooking oils to produce soap for the whole community. It was first and foremost a social process, one that embodied a circular economy through the recycling of material. Otobong researched similar practices in other places, including in West Africa and, of course, in Aleppo, Syria.

It was important to bring other people into the work in order to understand what kinds of extensions cold-process soap had, how it persisted and survived and what this revealed about similar products. One perspective was that of ritual in the act of production, which for Otobong became a way to consider what kind of life a product originates in and reproduces; whether it is made in a commercial setting or in a personal, intimate environment. What are the elements involved that are not, strictly speaking, part of production itself?

We started looking at things that might seem remote from the process. For example, the poet CAConrad had, for many years, devised rituals aimed in part at deconditioning himself from everyday consumption. For instance, he would go to the parking lots of large supermarkets in the US, sleep in his car, and then write poems informed by that experience. Another example he shared in a workshop, though I’m not sure he ever actually performed it, involved standing behind the door of his apartment with one leg in a bucket of water while looking through the peephole. The point, I think, was to enter an experiential process that disrupted a capitalist mentality centred on maximizing time.

The question of alternative valuation within an economic process was central to the work. It shaped not only the soap recipes but also the broader process: with whom the soap was produced, and where. It actively informed decisions that did not always make sense financially but spoke to other value systems the work sought to explore, raising the oblique question of whether these decisions could also be felt in the soap itself or in the work as a whole.

Fernando Garcia Dory at the Carved to Flow: Laboratory, documenta 14, Athens, Greece, June 17 2017, programme curator: Maya Tounta. Courtesy the artist

 

Otobong had a really beautiful talk with Erik Van Buuren who researches circular economics. Fernando Garcia Dory, who works with agroecology in his practice, spoke in the space.

Mould

Eight meet in a melting pot
fifty five degrees perfect hot
sign a pact to form a solid block
bound by lye and blood

ON: Most of these poems were written in the development of the project. So, if we made the soap at a 55°-hot perfect temperature, it created a certain form for the soap, or type of texture.

Olive tree at the Vis Olivaie soapmaking laboratory in Kamalata Greece, where O8 Blackstone was produced, as seen during a 2017 research visit. 

 

MT: O8 Black Stone was the core of the work. It is impractical as a product – it relies on oils from several geographies, meaning it’s not cost-efficient, yet it is the best soap I’ve ever tried. By that stage, which must have been a few months before the opening, there was a recipe in mind, but we didn’t know who could produce it in large quantities, and Otobong wanted it to be produced locally. We began travelling across Greece to meet different producers – amateurs, businesses and others – who were each given the same recipe.

The image you’re seeing is from the Peloponnese, where we met Vis Olivae. They had just started making soap, purely for the love of it. They had set up a small workshop in their basement while both were working full-time at a nearby hospital. Their passion was real, especially for using oil from Kalamata. Once we met them, it was an immediate fit for the project.

ON: We had met a company that was making soaps for boutique hotels in Crete and we knew from the way they were working that it would not work. Later on, we met a company that mass produces soap. When we went to visit the company, we learnt they were working with a mix of different chemicals, even though they talked about using sustainable materials. When we put all the soaps together, we realised that you could actually feel and see when something is alive and when something is dead. And this shrivelled soap that came out of Athens had no life. We were shocked. We wondered how two formulas can produce such different things. The soap from Vis Olivae was alive. You could smell it. There was a flavour and texture to it with this marbley effect. And when you used it, it was amazing. But at the same time, it was the most expensive.

A funny thing that happened when we visited the maker of Vis Olivae. He has beautiful olive trees that are over 100 years old. I remember coming out of his space, hugging one of the trees and talking to it. At the time I did not know that his wife had seen me. Later on, I received a letter from him written in Greek saying, ‘I heard that you hugged my tree’, and that he wanted to sponsor the project. And actually with his proposition he was the cheapest option. The tree helped me or helped us do this project. It’s always important to acknowledge that there are other entities working with you or creating a kind of passage for things to happen.

When we made the soap we made nine or ten prototypes, some containing seeds, olive seeds, cherry seeds; some of them containing chamomiles, indigo, and some just with earth. We were thinking of different geographies and what it meant to be able to use different materials in the soap. The one we chose for the project contains charcoal. It has seven oils and butters coming from the Mediterranean region, the Middle East and North Africa. The soap itself is a sculptural work that contains nutrients: it brings together different places of care, but also, through the charcoal, speaks to an absence of oxygen and what is burnt.

Exhale

Charred, so I hate to breathe
in the absence of oxygen
scarred, so I had to leave
these lands of bare ash residues
fleeing, breathing

Making the work, I reflected on what it means to be able to breathe in a landscape, in a place where the landscape is charred; in a place that has been affected by war, where there are droughts, water scarcity, where the elements that you lived with, that you were born with, become scarce. What does that mean in relation to renegotiating the landscape that you have to continue working in? What does it mean to migrate and to leave a place that you were born in, that your ancestors have invested in and all of a sudden it becomes alien to you? What does it mean in relation to the breathability of a space? And in relation to its economy, in relation to its ecology, in relation to its materials, in relation to storytelling. There’s so many things you consider that make a place breathable. Once that starts cracking, once that is affected by internal and external factors, how does one still find a way to relate to it? When we’re thinking of migration or the movement of people from a place, it’s not always a simple choice to leave a place that you know and to go to a place of uncertainty. The soap is a way of thinking of the relationship to charcoal, to organic matter, once we feel burned by a place – and of being able to breathe within that landscape.

O8 Blackstone, 2017. Courtesy the artist

 

With Carved to Flow we produced about 15,000 bars of soap. But we also had to think about transportation, distribution and legal questions. It was important to find the right language to talk about the soap as an art work, not a product. I remember the lawyer saying you would have to pay 19 percent tax on all the soap. And I said no, as an artwork you pay 7 percent tax, but how do you convince the tax authorities of that? The legal advice helped us understand how the work should be presented within the context of the exhibition.

MT: Otobong set up a foundation in Brussels that was able to absorb profits and process them into funding, via the King Baudouin Foundation. The foundation functions almost like a bank, with a unique purpose: whatever comes in from a sale is converted directly into funding that can only be directed to another nonprofit. This financial model made the project possible.

Carved to Flow: Storage and Distribution, performance at Neue Galerie, documenta 14, Kassel, Germany, 2017

 

The performance in Kassel was the first iteration of selling the soap. Later on it was also available in shops and museums, for example, but the first iteration of selling the soap was through performances. This led to adjustments in the way that transaction was made. One was that people would have to listen to the performer talk about the project if they wanted to buy the soap, which a lot of people didn’t have the patience for. From this came the second decision to allow the performers to refuse to sell the soap. It was a significant consideration of how a transaction could happen – that maybe money and the desire to acquire something is not enough.

'Earht Workshop – Bee Houses', workshop led by Nuno Vasconcelos, Thomas Meyer (RATIBOR 14), and Cornelis Hemmer (Deutschland summit!) in the framework of Carved to Flow: Germination, October 16 and 30, 2020, as part of There's No Such Thing as Solid Ground, Gropius Bau, Berlin, Gemany, July 10 – December 13, 2020. Courtesy the artist

 

And then we go to germination, which is the third stage of the project, and that is ongoing. The image that you’re seeing now is from an educational programme that happened in Dakar at Raw Material. There have been various iterations of this programme.

ON: We also had one in Gropius Bau during Covid-19. We invited the architect Nuno Vasconcelos, and he stayed in Berlin for six months. This space was an open space where people could come and work with soil related to different regions and areas. We made a sculpture for bees. Everything here could be touched. We did events within the spaces in Gropius Bau, often involving artists and different forms of spatial practice. We also started a podcast where I worked with Sandrine Honliasso.

MT: I’m realising now that Carved to Flow operated like a think tank. It allowed us to be in relation to different practices: to learn from and with different research, like the podcast with Sandrine, or to foreground practices that were precursors to this way of thinking, like that of Newton Harrison with his wife Helen, who, at the Harrison Studio, are pioneers of environmental art in the US and have managed to help shape several policy changes related to ecology.

Beyond this, the two long-term investments of Carved to Flow are the farm set up in Akwa Ibom, which is Otobong’s patrimonial land in Nigeria, and Akwa Ibom in Athens, which borrows its name from Akwa Ibom in Nigeria and is a nonprofit art space. This evolved quite naturally from the time that Otobong and I spent together in Athens.

Carved to Flow Foundation land in Uyo, Akwa Ibon State Nigeria. Couresy Peter and Otobnh Nkanga

 

I had left Athens in 2007 and came back ten years later to work with Otobong. I had no real sense of what the contemporary art scene looked like in Greece at the time. Together, Otobong and I realised pretty quickly that there was a lot of work, especially from the 70s and 80s, that had not really received attention and had not been written about or shown. That was one of our initial reasons for creating a space in Athens: to address the lack of institutional support for practices that were being overlooked. We set up this space together with an open approach to the programme, working with living artists, more historical material, but also different formats, including a fashion show with the German designer Kostas Murkudis.

George Touskovasilis, Untitled, no date (c. 1980s). Courtesy Maya Tounta

 

George Touskovasilis, Untitled, 1981. Courtesy Maya Tounta

George Tourkovasilis, Untitled,  1973, Collection of Tasos Gkaintatzis

George Touskovasilis, Untitled, no date (c. 1970s). Courtesy Maya Tounta

The most concrete, long-term engagement has ended up being the representation of two estates. One is that of the Greek photographer George Touskovasilis (1944–2021) who I met in 2020, and who had rarely exhibited during his lifetime. Touskovasilis had an incredible archive of images which varied from diaristic, personal images of his daily life to more documentary, sociological studies of specific subcultures in Greece. For example, there is one series taken after the military dictatorship in Greece, showing transgressive, illegal events like the motorcycle races that would happen in the outskirts of Greece. Touskovasilis had infiltrated and these photographs are the only documents that exist of that ever happening. He was also the main documentarian of the rock and punk music scenes in Athens and Thessaloniki. Touskovasilis documented his relationships with men and women. In Greece, nothing like that existed in sanctioned art history, let’s say. What we were able to do with Akwa Ibom, starting from the soap, was to make this work known. We did several exhibitions, and our next step is to translate one of his books into English to get the work known elsewhere.

Another figure we are working with is Christos Tzivelos, a sculptor who was active in the 80s who has also remained at the margins of the local canon. This is some of the work we are doing in terms of germinating back into the Athenian and Greek scene. I think it is an important contribution to try and change the narrative around different art histories.

Right Place
Our roots are anchored
To feed from this soil
The right place
To stay, to hold.
Home

Unearthed – Sunlight, 2021, in collaboration with Martin Rauch, installation view third floor Kunsthaus Bregenz, 2021. Photo: Markus Tretter. © Otobong Nkanga, Kunsthaus Bregenz. Courtesy the artist

 

This is a work that I made in Bregenz. A lot of the pieces I make consider what it means to be able to create work within a space and related to a place. This is a soil from the Voralberg region whose economy is changing due to climate shifts. For a long time I was interested in going back to my father’s village, which I hadn’t visited since he died in 1981. The first time I went back was in 2018. When I went back, all of a sudden it all made sense. With that we started looking for the land in Akwa Ibom.

I found this land in my father’s village. We started getting one or two plots and now have about three hectares of land which my brother manages. He used to live in Abuja, the capital, and he decided to make his livelihood and live in Akwa Ibom. He started working with the soil, trying to revive certain soils, and changing its pH. Then he started planting trees: lemon trees, orange trees, palm trees, palm wine trees. There are many, many types of trees that we have.

Video shot at Akwa Ibom Foundation, 2024. Courtesy Otobong and Peter Nkanga

 

These are personal videos he has sent me. You can sense the aroma, it’s amazing. Queen of the night, flowering and bringing all of its extraordinary scent. This was a tree we planted about two years ago. My brother keeps sending me videos of things that are sprouting – a new flower, or if there’s a praying mantis or toad that he found at three in the morning, he sends videos.

Video shot at Akwa Ibom Foundation, 2024. Courtesy Otobong and Peter Nkanga

 

This was when I visited. It is behind the little house we built where NAME lives. We’re planting vegetables and things that local women could come and buy at a cheap rate and then they could go back into the market and sell to earn money. The farm is off-grid. We have solar panels, converters and a solar pump. And with that we’re able to charge people’s phones, charge their batteries, charge their computers at a very low rate. The money is used to pay people working on the land. We are able to pump water from the grounds and give people free water. We have a tap and from seven in the morning till seven in the evening, people are constantly taking water. It’s a way of practising the commons, but a way of generating an economy with our resources so we can have more workers, pay them, and also for people to generate an economy for themselves. We work with local plants with different timelines. Some come out in three months, some in six months, some nine months, and some trees will be ready in five years.

The way my brother thinks about planting is to place plants in the vicinity of other plants and to see how those plants work for each other. But also to think about what insects eat – and plant those plants around other plants, so the insects eat them first before eating our plants. Sometimes my brother would notice a whole exodus of millipedes and he would then let them pass through, planting things around them so they would not eat our plants. We don’t kill them, we actually allow them to pass through during different seasons. It’s an observation of the landscape and shifts the way we work in relation to other life forms moving through space.

Video shot at Akwa Ibom Foundation, 2024. Courtesy Otobong and Peter Nkanga

 

We’re still constructing and we’re constantly thinking about how we should work. Some land we’re thinking of as orchards and some other places we have local palm trees where we make our own oils. We have animals now – goats, a snail farm – and we’re creating a mushroom farm. People from the village are also working on the land. Carpenters, metal workers, all those people are part of building the whole space. It’s really interesting to see how things have developed since 2020.

Repair

She took the threads out
From the same cloth
Each thread would find its place
Interwoven to cover the hole
She would squint at every gap
Cut her breath to make it work
Time flies as fingers stiffen
Some gestures overlap to Repair the flaws over time

Landversation, conceived by Otobong Nkanga. Performed by Peter Webb, Shanghai, Sunday September 4, 2016. Courtesy the artist

 

With Akwa Inbom, the art space or the farm, we are constantly thinking about how to evolve. Do we need a space? Do we need the land this way? Do we have to shift? And so the space could be something else tomorrow. The project Landversation (2014–) was first done in Sao Paulo where I worked with an ecopsychologist, Peter Webb. He was later invited to Shanghai, Beirut and Bangladesh. The project involved conversations with people that are thinking about land in multiple ways: a homeless person, a permaculturist working with government on land policy, or those involved in water systems and infrastructures, for example. The conversations shift perspectives on different topics. For example, in one conversation we discussed how people might leave trash on the street not because they want it there, but because it serves to resist gentrification. Engaging with the economy and the politics of a place has shaped how I work with people, how I bring them together and negotiate their time, their labour, their way of getting involved. It’s a negotiation within all projects – if it’s a work in a museum or on the farm, with a painting or with a plant.

Double Plot

In a place between yesterday
Today and tomorrow
Paths form in slow motion
Visible traces melting away
That, which was solid
Flaking, aching, so many raging

In a place between stillness
Fear and a slow meltdown
a new form grows
Visible only to the heart
Palpitating at the unknown
Flaking, aching, so many craving

Double Plot, 2018, woven textile with photography. Courtesy the artist

 

Once you’re negotiating with the landscape, and with people, there are a lot of emotions involved related to loss and anger. We’re seeing it also with places that are flooded. People are angry. We see that with people leaving places where they’re meant to stay, where they thought they will stay their whole lives. I am thinking through the emotional weight of landscapes, in relation to our histories, and ancestry. Those relations crystallize and ask for different ways to engage with the political landscape, the economy of a place and how we can relate to others and think of otherness, in which we bring in race, identity. But also the relationship to resistance and riot as in Double Plot (2018), produced for the Arte Mundi exhibition in Cardiff, which includes a series of images from different manifestations worldwide.

Manifest of Shifting Strains and Double Plot, 2018, National Museum Cardiff. Photo: Polly Thomas. Courtesy the artist

 

Shown next to this work was Manifest of Shifting Strains (2018). It is a circular form that contains different materials in different states. The work was looking at material and how it manifests through expansion, heat, rusting. For me, it’s necessary and generative to think through material in relation to politics and to the kind of upheavals that are taking place today. But also to think through these upheavals in relation to matter, the farm land, soil, the shift of acidity, what all of that means for many life forms. One is not separate from the other; rather, these are different forms of translation and visibility. I hope that makes sense.

I would like to end with this poem.

Future

The chains are formed
Linking stubborn bubbles
Of isolated worlds.
Will it stain or purge these ageing cells future.

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