The following conversation took place between Ecuadorian artist Rosa Jijón and Italian Ecuadorian activist Francesco Martone, founders in 2016 of the artistic platform Arts for the Commons (A4C). Currently, the collective – also a member of the Art For Radical Ecologies platform initiated by the Institute of Radical Imagination – is focusing its work on critiques of the Anthropocene, Rights of Nature, and resistance to extractivism, in collaboration with various movements in Latin America. Sofía Acosta Varea is a Mexico-based artist and activist on Indigenous rights and against extractivism; Boloh Miranda Izquierdo is a video-maker and artist working with Indigenous communities and movements in the Ecuadorian Amazon, and Anamaría Garzón is a curator and art historian who works at the Universidad San Francisco de Quito and is currently a PhD candidate at the University of Essex, UK. The conversation is part of the publication Art for Radical Ecologies (Manifesto).
Arts for the Commons (A4C): We would like to start this four-way conversation on artistic practices and activism in Latin America by quoting Uruguayan artist and educator Luis Camnitzer, who in a recent article delved into the relationship between art and politics:
If you want it to be art, it has to have a plus. When you dedicate yourself to serve a cause, you are leaving the plus aside. There is a lot of political art that ignores the plus and then, for me, it is no longer art, it can be effective as propaganda, pamphlet or expression of my opinion, but in reality nobody cares, or nobody should care.11.Luis Camnitzer, in Elisa Valerio Perroni, ‘Luis Camnitzer: reconocer los límites para traspasarlos’, la diaria, 29 December 2023.
As a collective, we attempted to offer a partial overview of some Latin American artists’ practices on issues related to struggles against extractivism, territorial ecofeminisms, Rights of Nature and Indigenous cosmologies in an article published in Radical History Review,22.Francesco Martone, Rosa Jijón and Arts for the Commons, ‘“In Difesa della Natura”: Visual Arts and Ecology in Times of Crisis’, Radical History Review, vol. 2023, no. 145, January 2023, pp. 165–80. and in an interview with Bolivian activist and practitioner José Carlos Solón, published on The Abusable Past.33.Francesco Martone, ‘Art, Activism, and Radical Ecology: An Interview with José Carlos Solon’, The Abusable Past, 16 March 2023. Our continent, with its vibrant social, Indigenous and environmental justice movements, and innovative approaches such as Buen Vivir (Good Living) and Rights of Mother Earth, now represents an exciting and challenging space of experimentation and convergence between cultural and visual practices and grassroots movements.44.See INDEX, revista de arte contemporáneo, no. 8, 2019, Arte y activismos en América Latina; María A. Gutiérrez Bascón, ‘Ecoimaginarios en el arte latinoamericano del siglo XXI’, Ecología Política, 11 July 2019. As Latin American artists and curators from Ecuador – you, Sofía, are currently living in Mexico; Boloh in Quito; and you, Anamaría, in New York – can you explain how your work relates to ecological struggles and territorial resistance?
Boloh Miranda: When I was part of an anti-mining collective, I had a first encounter with extractivism and the violence that exists in Amazonian territories. Since then, I developed an artistic practice based on social struggles and defence of the territory, whereas nature and underlying concepts are considered in non-Western ways and in connection with social movements.
Anamaría Garzón: My practice as a historian and curator is related to issues of environment and climate justice in various manners, one of which is Art + Activisms, a laboratory of pedagogies that I co-direct with Giuliana Zambrano, at the Universidad San Francisco de Quito. Sofía is also one of the founders of the project. A+A is an annual event that, since 2018, convenes Latin American creators to discuss issues like the right to migrate, ways of being in the present, the power of translation. In addition to inviting colleagues to give lectures, we are interested in creating toolboxes, so that our students and other creators have more methodological resources to do their work. For this purpose, we had sessions on critical cartographies and creative expeditions.
Sofía Acosta: I imagine the relationship between art and activism as a liminal space, a ravine, where I have to be careful that if I go one way I’m going to fall and if I go the other way I’m going to fall… Being on that tightrope is the objective, that opens up many possibilities. For example, the work I am doing on the right to air arises from very concrete practices of installing a radio in the Ecuadorian Amazon. My initial intention, however, was to make a radio to communicate with my son, which then morphed into a very political proposal meant to think of other ways to communicate and reduce the distance. Then I asked myself how these two aspects come together. This is how the idea of installing VHS radios powered by solar panels for Indigenous communities in the Ecuadorian Amazon came up in collaboration with Rhizomatica. To me, art and activism are parallel paths, but different. When I do an artistic project I am generating many more questions, but when I work as an activist the intention is rather to offer concrete answers. However, there are times when the two lines meet. One is the line of extractivism and the defence of the territory, and the other is that of the body as a territory (or, as we say here, cuerpo-territorio).55.See ‘Biografía’, La Suerte.
A4C: Sofía, readers of this essay might not be familiar with the concept of the body-territory, embodied in what Argentinian sociologist Maristella Svampa named ‘territorial ecofeminisms’.66.Maristella Svampa, ‘Feminismos ecoterritoriales en América Latina: Entre la violencia patriarcal y extractivista y la interconexión con la naturaleza’, Documentos de Trabajo, no. 59, Madrid: Fundación Carolina, 2021. Could you elaborate in a little more detail?
SA: Just as another Argentinian feminist activist and scholar, Rita Segato, says, it is very important to understand how you inhabit the body from being territory and how to be territory at the same time. A project we did with Boloh during the UN Habitat III Conference in Quito came to my mind, when we gave some workshops for the counter-march organized by movements. Many women came from the Cordillera del Cóndor,77.See Forensic Architecture’s work on mining in the Cordillera del Cóndor: ‘Expulsions’, Forensic Architecture, 7 May 2020. a territory in resistance against mining, and one of them, and her women’s collective, created a piece of art in the form of a sleeping mountain-woman saying ‘we need to rest’. They went on to say:
What happens is that we cannot rest because the mountain is not resting either. Since they arrived for the exploitation of the mine, we are not resting, the mountain is not resting, and the mountain is us too. There is a relationship between the mountain and us that is not leaving us, the mine works twenty-four hours and what we want is for that woman to rest.
For me it was important to think about how to relate to the other, not only the human, but also the nonhuman.
All images, video stills, A4C, Rosa Jijón & Francesco Martone, #Quitosinminería, 2021, 7 min.
A4C: This helps us to understand more about the relationship of communities with their places of origin, territories to be understood in a much broader way. In Ecuador and Latin America, we understand that there is more than a universe, notably a pluriverse, a concept that helps in reconciling culture and nature, thereby ‘fixing’ the epistemic fracture represented by modernity. Our alternative is based on sentipensar (or ‘feeling-thinking’), notably the construction of affections between humans and nonhumans.88.Arturo Escobar, Sentipensar con la tierra: Nuevas lecturas sobre desarrollo, territorio y diferencia, Medellín: Ediciones UNAULA, 2014. The hierarchy of the visual was also imposed as a colonial project, discrediting the other senses and the capacity to put us in the space of affection. How do you think Latin American art relates to the polycrisis characterized by new forms of broader and more aggressive extractivism?
BM: The biggest challenge in dealing with territories and extractivism is not to fall into extractive modes, which can also result from art-making. My work is linked to struggles and people from the territories. This does not give me the right to speak on their behalf, but this does not mean that I refrain from talking about these issues. You need to be careful about where you speak from. I find it extremely challenging to translate these issues through my works when they should rather be spoken by voices from Indigenous communities and their leaders.
SA: Younger generation artists indeed show great interest in issues related to extractivism. However, they are also talking a lot about more personal crises resulting from environmental destruction, the polycrisis that you refer to, and that lead to the creation of works that are very existential. This is also the result of the pandemic. However, on the issue of extractivism there are several collectives of younger generations of artists (under twenty-five), which I find amazing and that I support and accompany at times. A Colombian artist that I admire a lot, Carolina Caycedo,99.See carolinacaycedo.com. once said that artists are not the ones who are in the front line but the ones who can be right behind, supporting that frontline so that it walks stronger. I agree with her.
A4C: The work that you, Sofía, and Boloh did on the Indigenous guard in the Amazon comes to mind. The polycrisis is not exclusively happening in rural territories, but encompasses a wider debate on the relationship between the human and nonhuman, between people’s rights and the Rights of Nature.1010.See Global Alliance for the Rights of Nature. When shifted on the theoretical level and hence detached from embodied conflicts and struggles, this attempt to solve the historical rupture between nature and culture risks being co-opted or used as a form of ‘greenwashing’.
SA: Several issues end up being co-opted. Some of those words can be found in artists’ statements, and works that are just destined for commercial spaces and not meant to generate questions or challenges. Myself, I always embark on self-criticism about where I am speaking from: Who am I to say this or that? Who am I to work on these issues? Self-criticism is crucial for an artist, also to prevent contradictions. This is the approach I followed in the work I did with Boloh and Nixon Andy, and with Tawna,1111.See tawna.org. a collective active on territorial issues. At that time I was also working on the radio, and on issues of activism and archiving, from the land, the soil, the minerals, the water. Both of us never thought that air is also a space of power that is being controlled and has hence become a space of surveillance.
BM: The work we did on the Indigenous Guard, together with Sofia and Nixon Andy, who is part of the Indigenous Guard of Sinangoe,1212.Boloh Miranda Izquierdo, Frecuencia Sinangoe (2022). contributed to a victory for Indigenous peoples whose rights to land, territories and resources were eventually recognized. This result was obtained thanks to the Amazon archive, the work of the Indigenous Guard and the use of camera traps and drones. The latter were used to take footage of invasions by illegal miners. We facilitate radio communication, through antennas, and a security system for communities. In parallel we explore new monitoring and communication systems adopted by the Indigenous Guard to protect their territories. A product of this participatory work is a two-channel video installation portraying a portrait of the Guard, a single body and the relationship with the territory.
All images, video stills, Frecuencia Sinangoe, two-channel video, 32 minutes, 2022. Co-directed with Sofia Acosta Varea, Boloh Miranda and Nixon Andy
A4C: When commenting on your challenges in working in the rainforest with its communities, you, Sofía, said that you could not walk like them because they are jungle, and that while you had to ‘go to the jungle’, they ‘are jungle’.1313.See, for example, Eduardo Kohn, How Forests Think: Toward an Anthropology Beyond the Human, Berkeley, CA: University of California Press, 2013. Somehow this recalls what Arturo Escobar says, that sentipensar with the territory implies thinking from the heart and mind, or co-reasoning. In a talk with Peruvian anthropologist Marisol de la Cadena on pluriversal contact zones,1414.Arturo Escobar and Marisol de la Cadena, ‘Pluralizing the Anthropocene II | Against Terricide: Making Rights of Nature Pluriversally’, Serralves Foundation, 29 November 2021, YouTube video, 1:58:50. Escobar points to the key role of art in helping the dialogue with and communication of the different worlds that populate these contact zones, and also summarizes some leading concepts that emerge in these spaces, namely: territoriality, communality, autonomy and production of the commons, politics in the feminine and transition. How do these elaborations resonate in your work?
SA: An episode comes to my mind when I was in the forest with some Indigenous people and I commented, ‘this part of the landscape is so beautiful!’, and they commented, ‘no, the landscape is extractivist!’ And for me it was illuminating to see how the landscape can also be consumed, extracted, and how to get out of that notion towards something more integral, which also remains at a level of abstraction, which cannot be translated into a work of art, but remains as an experience of that specific moment. This also challenges us to think about other temporalities of being and not staying in the linear logic of production.
BM: In my experience of working with different cultures and nationalities in the Amazon, I realized that their relationship of feeling and thinking is not with nature, but of them as part of nature. I can’t understand it intellectually, but I can understand it personally, since I live with them and have experienced what it feels to be with the forest, with the jungle. When we do our work as Tawna we always put the perspective and voice of the communities and their needs and asks in the forefront.
AG: My academic work is characterized by the history of extractivism and the persistence of the colonial in the artistic narratives of the twentieth century. The history of artistic modernity tends to omit the resources on which production is based. In my doctoral work I intersect the territory, the praxis, the discourse of modernity, but also point to the separation between popular arts and modern art, that is, between Indigenous creators and white/mestizo creators. I am interested in talking about race, class and resources, to complexify the vision of the artistic.
A4C: Let’s now elaborate on the subject of disobedience in the archive, as a decolonial practice, because the archive imposes on us a past order in which we no longer have any incidence, and imposes this on us as the construction of a future that does not yet exist. The Amazon Archive you have worked on with other artists and curators,1515.See Ana Rosa Valdez, ‘Archivo Visual Amazónico’, Paralaje, 30 March 2021. as well as environmental organizations, is constructed, similarly to the Tawna project,1616.See tawna.org. from a dimension that is rarely considered in symbolic production, that of desire, of the emotion of the space.
BM: The Tawna project began four years ago, in Zápara territory. We needed to take images and narratives of the territory and for that purpose we engaged Indigenous people, not only Zápara, and also non-Indigenous participants. Tawna is a collective in permanent transformation, where we question our practices, forms of creation and narrative, and our own works. We enjoy our work and our sense of belonging. We have created a very extensive archive of the Amazon with materials that are in private collections and therefore inaccessible to the communities. We collected them to take them back to communities so that their families can see themselves in past times. We have produced Allpamanda (2022), a documentary about the historical memory of seven case studies of successful struggles in the Amazon, and the Indigenous march of 1992, when several communities in the Amazon managed to reclaim their land rights. We have also digitized archives that otherwise would have been lost, with the aim of inspiring others to understand the importance of archives in social struggles, to remember history, to talk about past processes, about how stories are repeated, in order to learn from them.
All images, Rosa Jijón & Francesco Martone, A4C, FOSIL-E, contribution to the Ecuadorian publication Estado fósil, Sofía Acosta Varea, Anamaría Garzón Mantilla , Francisco Hurtado Caicedo (eds.), Terminal Ediciones, 2023
AG: In recent years nature has acquired an important place in the artistic practice of Ecuador, I think, for example in the work of listening and singing with rivers by Christian Proaño, or Estado Fósil, a multimedia and polyphonic editorial project, where we, together with Sofía and Francisco Hurtado, asked ourselves how oil, with its by-products, is present in our lives. It was published on the occasion of the celebration of the fiftieth anniversary of the first barrel of oil that marked the beginning of large-scale oil exploitation in the Ecuadorian Amazon. In Estado Fósil we gathered archives and made a timeline on the history of extractivism in the country,1717.See Giulianna Zambrano Murillo, ‘Estado Fósil: Imaginarios, conflictos y materialidades del extractivismo petrolero en Ecuador’, Artishock, 22 August 2023. but also commissioned artworks, a podcast and essays from artists, writers and historians. We wanted to make a book about the lives of our generation in relation to oil from different perspectives; we don’t know how the country was before it and exploitation traverses different layers of our communal lives. By exploring oil materialities, conflicts and imaginaries, while also recognizing its devastating damage for communities in the Amazonia, we aimed to open a conversation that involves different perspectives and relations.
SA: I am very interested in the subject of the historical archive. At the beginning I thought that history should be with a capital ‘H’ and respected the archive as such. Over time I asked myself how art and artistic research could break the narrative of the archive as reconstruction of official historical memory, focusing rather on those collective stories that remain on the margins. The Amazon Visual Archive is a project that I collaborated with when I was thinking of making a board game interpreted as an archive. The idea was that everything would self-destruct, and that it would not be possible to extract oil from the inside. I started by editing all my mother’s personal, affective archives as a long-time environmental activist. I found it incredibly attractive to edit the oil stains, those stains falling down the green mountain, that more opaque part that entered through the earth and how those textures, those chromatics, were seen. In my dreams I had nightmares where oil was being rubbed on my chest and at the end I thought that I could not stay alone with those nightmares. That’s how the idea of Estado Fósil came up as a way to socialize and expand this personal experience, so that it is not only me that questions the oil ‘era’ but also other people with different views, that other possible worlds could be represented.
A4C:Estado Fósil, to which we also contributed interviews with anti-oil activists and artists in southern Italy, is not a book or an editorial project but more an assembly of points of view, a kind of very transversal dialogue that led to producing this project in a very fluid way. It is an assembly of opinions and visions, of images of what has happened to us since the first barrel of oil. It is like a collective and there is an evident artistic methodology that you put in place. How do you relate to this methodology that went beyond calling for contributions for a publication?
SA: The idea behind the project is to create a joint vision between three very different points of view, that of Francisco ‘Pancho’ Hurtado, a lawyer who has worked for many years on human rights issues, Anamaría, a curator-academic in her forms and references, and myself. Me and Anamaría had a common language; it was challenging to find common ground with Francisco Hurtado, even if we met a lot in the field of activism, for instance with a collective called Minka Urbana on the theme of the anti-mining resistance in Nankintz.1818.See Cintia Quiliconi and Pablo Rodriguez Vasco, ‘Chinese Mining and Indigenous Resistance in Ecuador’, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, 20 September 2021.Estado Fósil was not just an editorial project but something that overflowed from it, and that generated other conversations. I like this project of thinking in collective conversations, not just thinking about myself. That’s why I initially thought of a board game, because playing collective archives is a way of thinking in conversation, of putting the cards on the table and saying, ‘What is this for you?’ The description that you have of an archive is enclosed beneath it – a book or an image tells you a lot of things. They are determining subjectivities that can be very colonial. The challenge is to dismantle a caption of a photo that has a [certain] look and to disarticulate it, as in a book that describes oil in an almost pornographic way, that has a much more aesthetic image and dimension.
BM: In Estado Fósil we contributed with some photos and archival material from Tawna, and also produced a text and an archive on the Texaco case, with files on spills and fires in the Amazon. We have been working with Sofía for a long time, starting with an urban art collective called Fenómeno, with graphics, painting, storytelling, with collectives like Yasunidos,1919.See yasunidos.org. and did some murals with them. My work on José Tendetza, ‘JOSÉ Territorio y memoria’,2020.See ‘JOSÉ Territorio y memoria’, Artishock, 16 April 2023. stems from my direct relationship with people who knew him when he was murdered and also with the lawyers who handled the case. It was an event that affected me personally and from there arose the need to speak, because I believe that these state crimes are easily forgotten. I used several videos, not just those produced by the community. The important thing was to show that nothing has happened this far with the case, who José was and the imposition of the mining company on the bodies that inhabit the jungle, and all the extractivist violence that open-pit mining represents. It is also a work of collecting archival and visual material on company workers, trying to recover their viewpoint. There are drone videos of Chinese workers, cell-phone images of machinery operators, and material from TikTok or other social media. The work depicts what happens in the Condor Mirador mine, the destruction, the enormous holes and the accidents suffered by workers. Likewise, I gave importance to José’s legal file and the manipulation of related evidence.
A4C: Sofía, situating the debate about the collapse and the end of the world in the place where you are now, Mexico, the words of Viveiros de Castro and Danowski about the Mayas and the end of the world come to mind.2121.See Déborah Danowski and Eduardo Viveiros de Castro, The Ends of the World, trans. Rodrigo Nunes, Cambridge: Polity, 2016. In the North, the concept of catastrophe, of extinction, of fear of the end, seems to permeate artistic production, perhaps excessively. What we are actually assisting is the end of the world of white people and the real challenge is to learn, as Anna Tsing put it, how to live on a damaged planet. In a continent like Abya Yala, that already experienced its end of the world with the conquest, how can we represent this lack of fear of the end of the world, if not the capacity to prefigure new possible worlds, in artistic practice?
SA: Donna Haraway says that we have to continue with the problem, and that is true. There are many artists who got into that line of ‘What can we do in this catastrophic world?’, something that is very much felt in the North, while in the South we are experiencing other possibilities of building other possible worlds. Paraphrasing Bolivian feminist and decolonial thinker Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui, in this chaos there are threads that intertwine. Where we have a wave of catastrophe, we also have many resistances and ways of thinking about the world from other places, like with the Zapatistas.
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